Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 04:30:02 PST From: Advanced Amateur Radio Networking Group Errors-To: TCP-Group-Errors@UCSD.Edu Reply-To: TCP-Group@UCSD.Edu Precedence: Bulk Subject: TCP-Group Digest V94 #41 To: tcp-group-digest TCP-Group Digest Mon, 14 Feb 94 Volume 94 : Issue 41 Today's Topics: CP IT9LCY: REGENERATIVE REPEATERS Euro ISDN-2 (3 msgs) JNOS problems None TCP-Group Digest V94 #40 Send Replies or notes for publication to: . Subscription requests to . Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu. Archives of past issues of the TCP-Group Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives". We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Feb 1994 13:48:09 +0100 (MET) From: IT9LCY%PI8VNW@pa2aga.igg.tno.nl Subject: CP IT9LCY: REGENERATIVE REPEATERS To: TCPAGA@igg512ke.igg.tno.nl R:940212/1352Z @:PI8VNW.#ZH2.NLD.EU [Hoek v Holland] #:20530 Op:PE0MAR R:940212/0811Z @:PI8GWO.#ZH2.NLD.EU [Papendrecht] #:4967 Z:3351JS FBB5.15 R:940212/0728Z @:PI8HWB.#NBW.NLD.EU [Breda_JO21jn] #:48957 Z:NL_4813 FBB5.15 R:940209/2318Z @:F6BIG.FRHA.FRA.EU [Annecy (74)] #:414281 Z:74940 FBB5.15 R:940209/1729Z @:F6KDC.FALI.FRA.EU [Clermont-Fd]#:202376 JN15NQ $:3645_IW9CNZ R:940209/1303Z @:F1HAQ.FALI.FRA.EU [Brive] #:291807 Z:JN05SD $:3645_IW9CNZ R:940209/1254Z @:F6FBB.FMLR.FRA.EU #:24423 [Toulouse] $:3645_IW9CNZ R:940209/0959Z @:IK7GFP.#LE.ITA.EU #:17213 [Galatina] FBB5.15c $:3645_IW9CNZ R:940209/0923Z @:I8WYA.#CS.ITA.EU [COSENZA] FBB5.14d #:30908 R:940209/0758Z @:I8CWM.#RC.ITA.EU [Gioia Tauro] #:28879 Z:89013 FBB5.15 R:940209/0800Z @:IW9CNZ.CT.ITA.EU #:3645 [Trecastagni] FBB5.15b $:3645_IW9CNZ From: IT9LCY@IW9CNZ.CT.ITA.EU To : TCPAGA@PI8VNW.#ZH2.NLD.EU Original from IT9LCY to ALL@WW Hi all, do you know what is and how does a regenerative repeater work? I've read several mails concerning this mysterious thing, but unfortunately, none of them explained its action. Can you help me? Thanks in advance. 73 de IT9LCY ****************************************************************************** * Giuseppe Distefano - IT9LCY | Packet: it9lcy@iw9cnz.ct.ita.eu * * SMTP: it9lcy@ir9cta.ampr.org | IP address: 44.134.112.57 * ****************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 01:15:09 -0800 From: Phil Karn Subject: Euro ISDN-2 To: jack@victron.nl Ask the Japanese. Ask the Europeans. In fact, ask just about everybody but us Americans. Here ISDN has been an almost complete flop for these and other reasons: 1. ISDN is only available in a smattering of US locations. 2. It's expensive. Very expensive. Both for the equipment and the telco charges (installation and usage - some automatically charge per-minute business rates even for local calls). 3. POTS is relatively cheap in the US. Unlimited free local calls are available in most US cities if you pay a little more for a "flat rate" line. 4. Low cost, high speed modems are widely available in the US, without any telco interconnect hassles. V.32bis is widespread, V.34 ("V.FAST" at 28.8 kb/s) just came out and the prices are already starting to drop rapidly. 5. The US telcos are utterly clueless when it comes to data. (Okay, so this last one isn't unique to the US!) In the one case I know something about (Japan), residential ISDN is priced at the same rates as analog POTS. And there are no free local calls, so there's an incentive to use connect time as efficiently as possible. So I understand that IP-over-ISDN has become popular there. Even ISDN pay phones are fairly common. Phil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 11:07:07 CET From: "Jack Stiekema" Subject: Euro ISDN-2 To: Phil Karn , tcp-group@ucsd.edu Phil Karn KA9Q wrote: Jack Stiekema PE0MOT answered: ->1. ISDN is only available in a smattering of US locations. In holland every big city, 1995 everwhere. it's heavily subsidsed by the European Community. GSM and ISDN will be implemented before 1997 in every corner. ->2. It's expensive. Very expensive. Both for the equipment and the ->telco charges (installation and usage - some automatically charge ->per-minute business rates even for local calls). $300 entry, $20 a month, charge per second!! equipment is on the moment expensive, but pricing drops very fast ->3. POTS is relatively cheap in the US. Unlimited free local calls are ->available in most US cities if you pay a little more for a "flat rate" ->line. what's a POTS ->4. Low cost, high speed modems are widely available in the US, without ->any telco interconnect hassles. V.32bis is widespread, V.34 ("V.FAST" ->at 28.8 kb/s) just came out and the prices are already starting to ->drop rapidly. v32bis is standard, v34 will be accepted in 1995, 2x64k with isdn is available ->5. The US telcos are utterly clueless when it comes to data. same in europ, but whe have the EC (i thought Bill is building a data higway also?) ->priced at the same rates as analog POTS. And there are no free local ->calls, so there's an incentive to use connect time as efficiently as Also in Europ, it's only cheap as fast back-up or once-a-while datalines above 50 miles. ->Phil Thanks Phil. Kind regards, Jack +----------------------------------------------------+ | Victron bv POB 31 9700 AA Groningen Holland | | phone: +31 50 446222 fax: +31 50 424107 | +----------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 03:01:32 -0800 From: Phil Karn Subject: Euro ISDN-2 To: jack@victron.nl POTS = Plain Old (analog) Telephone Service Phil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 00:06 +0200 From: "Miroslav Skoric, SysOp in YU7B, Novi Sad" Subject: JNOS problems To: fon!tcp-group@ucsd.edu Hello everybody... I have received a couple of msgs as answer to my first question about the configuration of JNOS packet/internet bbs. One more time, I'm trying to be more specific. My JNOS only works as normal packet station on the TNC and radio side. But, I don't know how to use the attach commands in autoexec.net in order to configure it properly for using with internal modem card for telephone line. I tried to make it as slip or ppp interface, but I'm not sure if it is ok? And, of course, how to check it and how to dial a remote system wanted. I hope it could be possible to use JNOS as, for example, some other comm software for calling a local internet computer, couldn't it...? 73 de Misko, YT7MPB@YU7B.SRB.YUG.EU -or- skoric%unsim%etfbg%fon.uucp@moumee.calstatela.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Feb 94 15:11:28 CDT From: Jack Spitznagel Subject: None To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu subscribe jks@jspitznagel.utmem.edu tcp-group Jack Spitznagel | Division of Bogometrics, Team OS/2 | Sancho Panza Institute for (901) 528-6441 |  Advanced Studies  ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 05:21:33 GMT From: wa3dsp@wa3dsp.ampr.org Subject: TCP-Group Digest V94 #40 To: TCP-Group@UCSD.EDU To Roman - who asked if internal slip worked. Yes it does and that fact that you are receiving this proves it! I have two JNOS machines back-to-back running slip - This is version 1.09 or 108df - works fine at 9600 baud. I have also been meaning to try the slip compression but have not gotten around to it yet. 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